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Lubasha Visnjic: цитатаOver at Maddog’s board, Dee Dee has posted this; Weaver’s biological mother comes to Chicago to meet her. She was an upper-middle class teen in Iowa when Kerry was born. Director watch -- Not Noah, not Laura. Вау, стоко лет, стоко зим. Вспомнили про мама Керри. А все ли вспомнят?
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Starley: Мама-папа Кэрри...
Lubasha Visnjic: цитатаfrom Erforums Unfortunately, we don’t have much else. The guest roles (apart from Weaver’s mother, previously spoiled as being in this episode) are small and don’t seem to be anvil-ish: a woman suffering from early onset Alzheimer’s; the woman’s busy daughter; a woman who appears to be in pain but could be a drug seeker. [On second thought, I suppose the woman and her busy daughter *could* possibly be an anvil for Weaver and her mother, but let’s hope not.] Director: Not Noah.
Starley: И все?
Lubasha Visnjic: Луки в эпизоде нет, кроме упоминания Сэм о нем Сьюзан, что они классно провели время, делая задания для школы -------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Teaser: A cold wind’s blowing. Weaver’s outside, wearing an uncertain expression on her face. She walks across the street towards a hotel, slushing her way through the snow. She walks into the hotel, past the front desk clerk, gets in the elevator, and goes up to the 4th floor. She works her way to Room 415 and knocks on the door, saying, “Helen?” No answer. She knocks again.
Lubasha Visnjic: 2 pages later, we’re in Act 1. Susan and Sam are in the ambulance bay, talking about the weather. Susan said she thought she heard it was supposed to be sunny and warmer today. Sam catches a snowflake on her glove and asks Susan if she knew that snowflakes are less than half an inch across. Susan says no. Sam asks if she knows why snowflakes are white. She goes on to give Susan the reason: “The complex structure of snow crystals results in tiny countless surfaces from which visible light is efficiently reflected. What little sunlight is absorbed, is absorbed uniformly over the wavelengths of visible light thus giving snow its white appearance”. Susan: “What is wrong with you?” Heh. Cut to Susan and Sam inside the hospital. Sam explains that Alex had a school report and she and Luka got into it. They pass an 18 yo ice skater, who asks how much longer she has to wait. We can see that the ice skater’s lower left leg is a bloody mess. Sam looks at it and says, “Wow, that’s nasty”. The ice skater explains that one of the other skaters ripped into her. Susan asks if it happened in the morning, and the IS explains that it happened in Skating Club, which goes from 5:30 to 7. Sam tells her they’ll check her in in a few minutes. As Susan and Sam walk away, Susan says, “Winter”. Cut to Abby and Neela. Neela asks if Abby’s relationship with Jake is already an “every night kind of thing”. Abby says it’s just for Jake’s surgical rotation. Dubenko’s working Jake pretty hard and her place is closer to the hospital. A note says, “What a pathetic line of reasoning; Neela sees through it”. Neela responds, “Oh, I see, sleeping over is basically a convenience”. Pages later, Weaver and Susan are talking over each other. Weaver gives Abby some instructions on a patient, while Susan tells Neela and Jane that Weaver works 2 shifts a month to keep her skills fresh and to stay in touch with the department’s needs. Neela quietly whispers to Jane, “Our lucky day” as Sam tells Weaver about the ice skater. Weaver asks Frank to get a wheelchair. He tells her there’s a trauma coming in. She tells Neela to work with Carter on a patient, gives Susan another patient, and tells Abby and Jane to follow her. Neela tells Carter that it must be awkward for Susan to be the Chief and having Weaver back. Carter doesn’t agree – when Weaver works in the ER, she takes charge and covers everything. Susan loves it because it’s like a day off for her. Frank says that isn’t true for the rest of them, though.
Lubasha Visnjic: Cut to Weaver, Abby, and Jane with the incoming trauma. It’s a 40 yo “screwdriver guy”. The paramedic explains there was a fight at a birthday party. I don’t know how this fits in, but on the next page, Jane says she’s a blank slate when it comes to Pick’s disease. She can’t remember which year she studied the disease. She’s not even sure if she was told the disease is like Alzheimer’s or not. “Man, talk about your memory loss”. Pratt’s got an “Oh God” expression on his face. Cut back to Screwdriver Guy. Sam’s assisting. The patient’s drunk and about to use some foul language. Sam says, “Nice language”. Abby and Weaver start to work on the patient. Pages later, Weaver asks Helen (she addresses her as Ms. Williams) if everything’s OK and if she wanted to talk about something. She says she’s fine and doesn’t want to waste Weaver’s time anymore. There’s a pause as Weaver takes note of Helen calling Weaver by her first name. Weaver says OK, then walks away. She bumps into Haleh and asks her to look through their old records for “Sharon” Williams’s last hospital visit. Cut to Pratt, Jane and Chuny with their Pick’s disease patient, Mrs. Devon, who is 60. Her 30 yo daughter, Charlotte, is with her. Mrs. Devon has 2 deep lacs on her hand. Pratt asks Mrs. Devon to wiggle her fingers. She rudely asks him if he can wiggle his fingers. Pratt asks her to give it a try, but she mimics his words right back at him. Then she turns to her daughter and says they have to get dinner ready because their guests will be there soon. Charlotte tells her Mom it’s OK, then explains to Pratt and Jane that at 5:30 AM, she heard her Mom crashing around in the kitchen. At this point, Mrs. Devon leans directly into Jane’s face and asks her for the bathroom. Jane’s slightly freaked and backs away. Pratt turns to Chuny, so Chuny tells Mrs. Devon to go with her. Mrs. Devon repeats Chuny’s words. As they leave, Charlotte explains that there isn’t a dinner party. Her Mom thought she was cutting meat but she was actually cutting her own hand. Pratt says they’ll take care of it, then asks her when the symptoms started. She says it started 2 years ago. They’ve been able to keep her at home, but now she has 3 kids and doesn’t know what to do. Jane and Pratt exchange looks. Cut to Weaver, Pratt, Jane and Frank at the Admit Desk. Weaver asks for labs on a patient with syncope, and Frank tells her they’re still waiting for the results. Pages later, Haleh tells Weaver that she asked a patient (maybe Helen) about something, but the patient got nervous and asked to leave AMA. Weaver asks if the patient wants to leave now, and Haleh nods. Weaver looks at Abby and Jake and walks off. Abby says to Jake, “Gathering supplies?” He says, with his head in his hands, “I know…I know…”
Lubasha Visnjic: Cut to Weaver and Haleh, who have entered a trauma room. One of the beds is empty. Weaver asks the ice skater if she saw the patient leave. The ice skater says the patient bolted. Susan walks up and starts to ask Weaver a question, but Weaver quickly walks away. Cut to Weaver in the ambulance bay. She can see “Helen Kingsley” walking away and calls out to her. Weaver addresses her as Ms. Williams and asks her to wait – her test results haven’t come back yet. Helen says she doesn’t need the results. Weaver tells her she won’t have to wait much longer. Pages later, a note says, “Even if he [Jake] knew, he doesn’t get it out before…” Weaver gives out the answer: “First, to break up any adhesions. Second, if there is diaphragmatic injury, you could be in the abdominal cavity and chest tubes don’t work very well in the stomach”. Susan says they can handle it now. Weaver looks at her and realizes she [Weaver] was harsh. Weaver says, “Yes, I’m sure you can”. As she leaves, Sam wisecracks, “That was fun”. Susan looks at Abby and Jake and asks them why Weaver’s so pissed at them. Dubenko says, “Man, and I thought I knew how to pimp”. Cut to Carter and Neela with a Mr. Bulowski and wife. They’re both in their 40s and are “…well-fed Americans”. Carter asks Mrs. B about her neck pain. She says she flew in from Cleveland the day before to help her brother move. She was lifting a chair. Mr. B mentions that she had an MRI last year – she had 3 slipped disks in her neck. Carter asks Neela for any neuro findings, but Neela says motory and sensory are intact. Mr. B mentions that his wife’s pain goes down her arm. Neela tells him they’ll administer morphine, but Mrs. B says it makes her sick to her stomach. Mr. B says Demerol’s the only thing that works. Weaver approaches – she only heard the tail end of the conversation. Carter suggests Toradol, but Mrs. B’s allergic. Mr. B insists on Demerol. Carter tells him they’ll be right back. Once they’re away, Neela explains to Weaver that Mrs. B has “neck pain with radiculopathy consistent with herniated disk syndrome”. Carter mentions that Mrs. B is allergic to Toradol – she should have just told them she’s a Demerol addict. Neela argues that they don’t have an objective test for pain and they should err on the side of believing her.
Lubasha Visnjic: Much later, Mr. B says he and his wife are concerned. Neela says she understands, but the shot they gave her was somewhat effective. Carter interrupts and speaks to Neela in private. Neela explains that Mrs. B said she was still in pain. Carter asks if she explained that she’d be giving Demerol. Neela gives him a look, so he asks if Mrs. B suckered her into administering a second shot. Neela says, “One could look at it that way…” As they walk toward the Admit Desk… We see a calmer Weaver, back in her lab coat. Jerry and Susan are there, too. Weaver tells Jerry she’s back, but Jerry didn’t even know she was gone. Susan follows Weaver down the hall. 2 pages later, Weaver walks into a trauma room, where Abby and Jake are laughing about something as they both suture the lacs on Screwdriver Guy’s back. A note says, “Just as before…” They both see Weaver. Abby says, “Kerry” while Jake says, “Dr. Weaver”. Weaver says she’s looking for an obnoxious bald guy who needs suturing. Jake explains he was there. Abby finishes, saying they put him next door. Weaver looks through the window at the adjacent room, where she sees the 40 yo OG, who has a scalp lac. OG sees her and starts screaming about his head hurting. No one’s given him any aspirin and he’s been moved 6 times. WTH is going on? To make matter worse, another trauma patient gets put into his room. He’s not happy. Weaver closes the blinds and turns to Abby and Jake. She says, “Mr. Screwdriver, nice to see you again”. Jake tells Weaver that he takes full responsibility for SG still taking up space in the ER. Weaver: “You don’t think Dr. Dubenko deserves just a soupcon of that?” A note says, “Abby’s look: Did Weaver just say soupcon?” 2 pages later, Weaver assigns Mr. & Mrs. B to Ray, who (I think) has just started his shift. She explains that they’re well-fed and well-drugged. She wants him to review the chart and “unceremoniously” get their a$$es out of the ER. Weaver walks away, where she sees Jane talking to Charlotte about nursing facilities for her mother. Charlotte thanks her and walks away. Weaver walks up, and Jane explains what she was doing. Weaver asks if Pratt is even remotely involved with the case. Jane tells her that they’re swamped because a few docs didn’t show up. Pratt’s busy but he is involved with the case and doing much better. A note says, “Weaver’s look: Jane probably shouldn’t have said that last part”. Much later, we’re in Act 4, in a restaurant ladies’ room. Weaver’s leaning against the wall and it looks as if she’s trying to catch her breath. She goes to the sink to wash her hands and looks at herself in the mirror.
Lubasha Visnjic: Cut to Weaver back at the table. She’s struggling to focus as Helen’s showing her some family photos. Their dinner’s already been served for some time. Helen’s is partially eaten; Weaver barely touched hers. Helen shows her a picture of her Uncle Jackson, who was the black sheep of the family. He loved to steal cars. Weaver asks for a picture of her father. Helen says she has one – she didn’t know whether she should show it to Weaver. She shows Weaver the photo: “14 yo Helen, nine months pregnant, standing with 15 yo Cody Boone, the two of them leaning against a ’53 Chevy. The two of them smiling”. Helen says that when she was sent away to Indiana, Cody drove all the way up to see her; he didn’t even have a driver’s license. Pages later, Helen tells Weaver, “Jesus doesn’t exclude you, Kerry. You exclude yourself.” Kerry tells her she does that willingly. There’s silence, then Helen says the hotel’s nearby and she wants to walk. Helen walks off. Weaver’s left behind. Cut to Carter, Neela and Ray. Ray says Mr. & Mrs. B won’t leave. He called Cleveland Memorial and found out Mrs B shows up there 2x a week asking for Demerol. She’s on their “turkey file”. Neela argues that they won’t cure her habit by denying her drugs today. He wants her to kick them out. He thinks Weaver’s going to be mad at him. Ray and Neela look at Carter for his decision. He tells them, “Watch and learn”. Carter walks up to Mrs. B and says he heard she was still in pain. She says she feels better, but she thinks she needs another shot. Ray reminds her she’s already had 2. Carter holds his hand up to stop Ray from saying more. Carter explains to Mrs. B that when she uses Demerol regularly, as he thinks she does, it doesn’t work well and she can become dependent on it. Mr. B asks if Carter’s saying his wife’s a druggie. Mrs. B says she doesn’t think they know what real pain is. Neela doesn’t think that’s fair. Mr. B asks what Neela knows about being fair. Does she think it’s fair that his wife has that kind of pain? Neela said she’d administer another shot and then never came back. Carter says, “Mr. Bulowski”. He shoves Carter and tells him he wasn’t talking to him. Ray tells Jerry to call Security. Mr. B’s in Neela’s face now, asking her if she likes stringing people along. Carter steps in to protect Neela and tells Mr. B he needs to calm down. He says, “The hell I do”. He throws a punch. “Carter blocks it like a pro, instinctively throws one back and connects. Sh*t, that hurts. And it didn’t knock him down so Carter now tackles the guy, forcing him onto the bed.” Ray’s trying to diffuse the situation, but Mrs. B climbs on Carter’s back and starts pummelling him. Ray grabs her and pulls her off, but she grabs a bedpan in the meantime and thwacks Ray right in the nose. Ray’s all “Owww…”, and Mrs. B goes back to hitting Carter. Neela grabs a bedpan from the next bed, ready to thwack Mrs. B, then says, “Oh, my God, what am I doing?” She drops the bedpan as 2 security guards wade on in.
Lubasha Visnjic: Jerry, Frank, and Sam are watching this from the Admit Desk. Weaver arrives, looks at the terrible scene, and asks who’s winning. Heh. Sam tells her Neela was about to hit Mrs. B with a bedpan. Jerry says he always wanted to see something like that. A note says, “This is the old Weaver here: a throwaway line”. Weaver tells Jerry, “Hard to let go of a dream, isn’t it?” She asks if the fight’s in control. Frank says yes. Then he says he thought Weaver was gone for the day. She says, “Almost”. Cut to Jane and Mrs. Devon, who’s in a wheelchair. She’s folding towels on her lap as she asks Jane if they have enough of them. Jane says she thinks they’ll have plenty. Pratt walks by and asks about Charlotte. Jane explains that she had to pick her kids up. Pratt sees Mrs. Devon folding towels and asks Jane what she’s doing. Mrs. Devon asks if they checked on the roast. Jane says the roast is fine. Then Jane explains to Pratt that Mrs. Devon’s folding napkins for the dinner party. She explains that she read that she shouldn’t play into the patient’s delusions, but she doesn’t get the point of that in this case. Does he? Pratt looks around and sees Weaver down the hall. She looks at them. Pratt asks Jane if she can handle Mrs. Devon. She says yes. Пока всё. АААА, Луки кажись вообще не будет. Одна мама Керри! ну и...я свободна от этой серии.
Lubasha Visnjic: Вчера прошла очередная серия 1114 «Just As I Am», посвященная полностью жизни Керри Уивер. Все ее тайны были раскрыты в этой серии. Это дает нам уверенность в том, что для Лоры Иннес 11 сезон последний...возможно. 1. Почему Керри хромает? - врожденное нарушение роста бедра. Ее настоящая мать не знала об этом, поэтому это не была причиной ее отказа от Керри. 2. Что делала Керри в Африке? - Она была там в детстве. Ее приемные родители были миссионерами. Приемная мать работала над строительством школы, приемный отец был инженером. В 12 лет Керри переезжает в Миннеаполис, т.к. отец был уже слаб здоровьем. Приемные родители умерли, когда она училась в колледже. ЛЯП: В 5 сезоне она сказала, что они умерли в прошлом году, а в 6 сезоне д-р Лоуренс встречал приемную мать Керри , когда она училась в институте. 3. сын Керри и Сэнди - Генри - был так назван в честь приемного отца Керри. 4. Муж Керри. - не было. 5. Настоящая мать Керри . - ее зовут Элен. Она встретила Керри в больнице, когда сама была пациенткой. Сначала она использовала вымышленное имя. Керри заподозрила что здесь что-то не так. Элен потом призналась во всем. 6. Сэнди Лопес. -мать Керри подумала, что она нянька, когда смотрела на фото. Керри не стала ее разубеждать. 7. Итог. - они снова расстались..навсегда. автор сценария : Лидия Вудворд, та самая с пилота...
Lubasha Visnjic: Поздновато все это. мама Керри и все такое... Луки две секунды, беееее вообщем, я не в восторге. буду ждать следующую серию - там центр Горан и Синтия Никсон.
Starley: Lubasha Visnjic пишет: цитатабуду ждать следующую серию - там центр Горан Будем ждать!!!!
Lubasha Visnjic: есть два смешных момента: Пратт с дурочкой-старушкой и борьба Картера с сумасшедшей теткой, ее мужем, Рэем, и Нилой. Супер! Ржала доолго! и два трогательных: когда Керри наблюдала за игривыми Эбби и Джейком и когда Керри встретила вечкером Луку, который пришел на свою смену на час раньше, чтобы побыть с Сэм, т.к. они работа.ют сейчас в разные смены. Керри просто по-доброму позавидовала..ей не хватает семьи. ...
Starley: Lubasha Visnjic пишет: цитатавстретила вечкером Луку, который пришел на свою смену на час раньше, чтобы побыть с Сэм, т.к. они работа.ют сейчас в разные смены. О! Как трогательно!!!
Lubasha Visnjic: и не говори. он при этом так сиял, что Керри очень за него порадовалась ...про себя .
Starley: Lubasha Visnjic пишет: цитатапро себя . Могла бы и сказать ему
Irina: цитата6. Сэнди Лопес. -мать Керри подумала, что она нянька, когда смотрела на фото. Керри не стала ее разубеждать. 7. Итог. - они снова расстались..навсегда. вот как раз они и расстались, потому что Кэрри сказала, что это не её няня, а так сказать...partner... не знаю как по-русски лучше выразиться..... а мамаша Кэррина ударена в церковь и все-такое, вообщем, не смогла она её принять такой какая она есть.......печально..... ну, в отличаи от вас, мне серия понравилась.....только вот боюсь, что Кэрри нас точно скоро покинет, ниодной тайны нам не оставили
Lubasha Visnjic: не, не то что не понравилась, просто я смотрю теперь только из-за Луки. Нет, Скорая не стала такой ужасной, просто меня утомляет всякие медицинские случаи и тому подобное, вот Африка была разнообразием и с тех пор ничего такого.. ну не знаю...необычного что ли. А серия для фанов Керри просто находка! Но жалко, что они все вылили в одной серии, многие уже и не помнят или не знают о том, как долго искала Керри свою мать. Все это очень и очень поздно, поэтому я подозреваю, что Лора Иннес готовиться к уходу. ps. и если ты не знаешь, ведь была интрига, кто будет играть мамашу. В декабре была утверждена Сисси Спейсек (Керри из кинговской «Керри») и были уже сняты сцены с ней и вдруг 28 января поменяли на эту Франциску Фишер, объяснив , что у Сисси проблемы с графиком, потом оказалось, что в семье. Вот и сварганили они сцены мамы и Керри за две недели. К сожалению, рейтинги этой серии низкие.
Irina: цитатаи если ты не знаешь, ведь была интрига, кто будет играть мамашу хорошо, что я спойлеры не читаю.....мне так интересно было смотреть эту серию, все же была интрига - кто эта женщина, я почему-то не подумала, что это может быть её мама...... вот и рейтинги низкие небось потому, что все заранее все уже знали, а я вот серьезно удивилась, поскольку была неожиданность..... а Франциска Фишер чем-то даже похожа на Кэрри
Irina: цитатая смотрю теперь только из-за Луки я даже не знаю из-за кого смотрю....Кэрри мало показывают, а из всех остальных у меня нет фаворита, как-то уже по накатанной смотрю......вроде как англицкий язык лишний раз на слух повоспринимать.....да и не самый плохой сериал, надо все же признаться...хе-хе....
Lubasha Visnjic: наоборот должны были быть высокими, стоко интриги. кто будет играть ,да и Керрисерию не часто показывают Я не говорю, что сериал плохой, нет, он как раз шедевр с медицинской точки зрения, просто я утомилась и английским, и ничего такого ...может нужно еще снять «серию на выезд»?...
Irina: а как рейтинги определяются?
Lubasha Visnjic: Irina а фиг знает, публикуют сразу на следующий день ихние СМИ. щас найду.
Lubasha Visnjic: цитата «Without a Trace,» 12.7/21, completed the CBS sweep of the night at 10 p.m. «ER» posted an 11.5/19 for NBC, and «Primetime Live» averaged 6.3/10 for ABC. цитатаFrom Mediaweek.com Sticking with the two networks, leadership remained mixed at 10 p.m., with CBS’ Without A Trace (Overnights: 14.2/22; Viewers: 19.70 million; A18-49: 6.2/16) first in the overnights and total viewers, and NBC’s veteran ER (Overnights: 13.7/21; Viewers: 17.07 million; A18-49: 7.9/21) No. 1 in adults 18-49. Considering that Frances Fisher is only seven years older than ER’s Laura Innes, Fisher player her mother was interesting casting last night! и комментарии цитата«Those are way low, but between the Lifetime Movie of the Week promo and being centered on a lesspopular character, not surprising. » «Ouch. I had a bad feeling they would be low. Too bad. » «That’s the lowest since «Intern’s Guide.» «The ratings weren’t great for this one.»
Irina: вообщем, ясно - тех людей, которые смотрят не в день примьеры никто не в расчет не берет..... ладно, я действительно, верю что эти рейтинги могут быть низкими, т.к. экшена никакого не было, порадовались только стойкие поклонники Кэрри, которые не смотря на то, что её очень мало показывают, все же остались, но их армия уже не так многочисленна, как была ранее.....
Irina: цитатаConsidering that Frances Fisher is only seven years older than ER’s Laura Innes, Fisher player her mother was interesting casting last night! смешно.....я вот как раз хотела этим поинтересоваться.....забавно
Lubasha Visnjic: да, естественно в день премьеры. а как иначе? нас точно в расчет не возьмут. да уж, так показывают по чуть-чуть, то самые преданные и остаются. просто странно...так как стоко рекламы было. Может еще повлияло то, что Сисси отказалась в последнюю минуту. Говорят, что Джон Уэллс много лет уговаривал ее сняться и вот...такая неожиданность.
Irina: цитатаМожет еще повлияло то, что Сисси отказалась в последнюю минуту а что она супер-пупер стар у них????
Lubasha Visnjic: мне показалось или Франсишку эту пытались состарить хоть как-то, особенно в области глаз?... 7 лет сразу заметили и тут же «голодные» журналюги это выделили.
Lubasha Visnjic: Irina она многочисленный лауреат и номинант на «Оскар»
Lubasha Visnjic: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000651/ по-моему она больше подходит 5 раз наминирована и 1 раз выиграла Оскар. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000651/awards
Irina: я тоже уже залезла в imdb и посмотрела на Сэсси, она , действительно, очень похожа на Лору......ну, да Фишер тоже наплохо сыграла.... только вот Сэсси тоже все-то на 10 лет старше Лоры.....тоже неидеальный вариант
Irina: зато обратите внимание, что именно эта нерейтинговая серия породила пару страниц комментов, в отличаи от предыдущих рейтинговых серий
Lubasha Visnjic: Irina просто на другие я одна пахаала, в одиночку как-то не очень..
Irina: я все хотела написать, но как-то не находилось чего писать... единственное, что мне понравилось в последних сериях - это увлечение Нилы Лукой....даже жалко, что они так быстро закончили с этим....могли бы еще чего-нить понапридумать, а так все Эбби и Эбби.....как-то о ней не особо хочется писать , хотя она мне не то, чтобы очень не нравится, просто НИКАК
Lubasha Visnjic: Irina пишет: цитатаэто увлечение Нилы Лукой... да порадовало это соединение. И правда всего два с половиной эпизода. маловато будет Ну я уже давно говорила. что ЭББИ-ШОУ продолжается... (мы про нее уже знаем все!! о мамаше, о брате, о всех ее мужьях и бойфрендов, об алкоголизме, вот токо о папааше не знаем )
Lubasha Visnjic: Меня бесит, что для Керри выделили одну серию. А для Эбби 3 сезона. В свое время этим злоупотреблял Марк, я хочу про Дага, а они суют голого Марка. Ужас!
Irina: цитата вот токо о папааше не знаем надеюсь не узнаем торжественно обещаю, что буду стараться писать комменты к сериям......последняя серия снова возродила во мне желание что-нить написать, надеюсь, что это желание продлится подольше
Lubasha Visnjic: и еще хочу увидеть отца Луки. ведь он же есть! Н а Рождество к нему ездил, но за кадром!!! Во, и вообще хочу серию в ХОрватии!!!! Гады! А они нам Эбби с этим чокунутым студентом Джейком суют!! Какой же он студент??? И Пратта надо меньше, самодовольных не терплю!!!!!!!!
Lubasha Visnjic: Irina пишет: цитататоржественно обещаю, что буду стараться писать комменты к сериям...... ловлю на слове!
Irina: цитатаМеня бесит, что для Керри выделили одну серию. А для Эбби 3 сезона ну, я по этому поводу помолчу.....а то слишком резко будет хотя, надо признаться, был праздник и на нашей улице.....правда, не так много....... видимо, все актреы более заняты в других съемках, чем Тирни, вот и остается только её снимать.....
Irina: цитатас этим чокунутым студентом Джейком суют!! Какой же он студент??? точно....дядя такой, а все студент.......он мне почему-то кажется каким-то обдолбанным......правда и Эбби в какой-то серии у него спросила -«Ты че - накурился?»
Lubasha Visnjic: Irina пишет: цитатаТирни, вот и остается только её снимать..... тогда пусть и именуют » Abby’s ER»
Lubasha Visnjic: и еще одна отмороженная личность есть - это Джейн!! такая студентка , говорящая вечно в нос . Ходит туда-сюда, никто на нее внимания не обращает, а она все равно ходит. Как Лестер наверное по блату попала.
Irina: цитатаеще одна отмороженная личность есть - это Джейн!! да уж...странная какая-то, и голос у неё мерзкий чего она вообще в сериале делает - для антуражу чтоли?
Irina: цитатаКак Лестер наверное по блату попала а чё за история с Лестером....кто его протолкнул?
Lubasha Visnjic: Irina ну это я так предположила, он все-таки младший брат Кифера Сазерленда и сын очень известного актера Дональда Сазерленда. Так он в 10 сезоне такие глупости говорил и ни фига ничего не делал. Мне было смешно смотреть как Лука на него один раз так взглянул как на больного Про Джейн я тоже слышала (на форуме слухов), что она протееже лесбиянки продюсера ER (я долго время думала, что это мужик) Ди Джонсон, т.к. Сара Жильберт (это она играет Джейн) уже официально также ходит с герлфренд. Но это токо слухи, что ее по блату взяли. Про Мору я уж промолчу, там ооооооочень неприличные слухи про нее ходят.
Irina: офигеть ...... а все же чего там с Морой-то?
Lubasha Visnjic: тебе че прям сюда постить? могу на оригинале но учти все эти сообщения сделаны анонимами на специальном форуме слухов, поэтому где правда, а где ложь токо можно догадываться.
Irina: давай ссылочку.....на досуге почитаю
Lubasha Visnjic: окей. вот сюда первый форум второй форум ну давай...наслаждайся.
Irina: пасиб.....развлекусь
Lubasha Visnjic: Лучшая двадцатка. 1. (1) «American Idol» (Tuesday) Fox 28.8 2. (2) «CSI: Crime Scene Investigation» CBS 27.9 3. (3) «American Idol» (Wednesday) Fox 26.1 4. (4) «Desperate Housewives» ABC 22.3 5. (6) «Without a Trace» CBS 19.6 6. (13) «Lost» ABC 19.5 7. (5) «CSI: Miami» CBS 18.8 8. (X) «Grammy Awards» CBS 18.8 9. ( «Everybody Loves Raymond» CBS 17.5 10. (9) «ER» NBC 17.1 плохо 11. (11) «Two And a Half Men » CBS 16.7 12. (X) «CSI: Crime Scene Investigation» (Thursday 8 p.m.) CBS 16.7 13. (21) «Extreme Makeover: Home Edition» ABC 16.5 14. (17) «The Apprentice 3» NBC 15.1 15. (66) «House» Fox 15 16. (19) «Law & Order: SVU» NBC 14.2 17. (14) «Medium» NBC 14 18. (27) «Law & Order: Criminal Intent» NBC 13.5 19. (21) «Law & Order» NBC 13.2 20. (1 «CSI: NY» CBS 13.1
Starley: Lubasha Visnjic пишет: цитата10. (9) «ER» NBC 17.1 плохо Так Луки-то мало было!
Lubasha Visnjic: спустя некотоое время комменты этой серии американцев. из архиво форумов, которые были сохранены. форум AEB Doc Sharon Member (2/10/05 10:13 pm) Sam is downright cheerful discussing snowflakes, regular hot Croatian sex will do that for you. Abby and Jake are in the drug lockup of lurrrvvve! Behaving like a couple of fools when Weaver sees them. She is very obviously suspicious and not approving of them messing around. Kerry's mom has now announced to her who she is as she walks out AMA in the ambulance bay. And FF looks younger than LI in this scene, IMO. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rbeezer ezOP (2/10/05 11:18 pm) The conversation between Susan and Sam was about the only unpredictable thing in this act. But I still liked the first act anyway. FF ( Франсишка Фишер ,мать Керри) needs a new hair stylist. That dye job is over the top. ------------------- otoolerm12 Member (2/10/05 11:29 pm) Kerry is behaving like her usual bitch self, I see. Her mother is living in Terre Haute, Indiana, just 60 miles or so from my home town. So far this episode is very unimpressive. --------------------- Doc Sharon Member (2/10/05 10:30 pm) WE KNOW WHY SHE LIMPS!!!!!! Congenital hip dysplasia, a birth defect. And her mother didn't know a thing about it. We also know why I am posting every few minutes, because watching paint dry would be more interesting. Very dull eppy thus far. Dubenko has been kinda cool, but that's about it.
Lubasha Visnjic: форум erforums GreenJello125 Feb 11 2005, 03:35 AM HOLY GOSH THEY TOLD WHY SHE HAS HER CRUTCH! ...anyways, I don't care what anybody says about that. That was spectualar. Absolutely stunning. Laura was beautiful. The thing was written so incredibly. Amazing. Pure amazement. Best episode of ER ever. ...OK, now that I'm out of the twilight zone, I really do believe that this could be the end of Kerry Weaver. We know about the crutch, her mother. We know almost everything about her. Anybody else think that Carter's apparent exit arc is Kerry's as well? Holy gosh, I'm glowing with happiness! --------------------- AzizalSaqr Feb 11 2005, 04:11 AM Ok, this officially beats the airing of NICU as the longest hour of my life, I didn't think it was possible but it was. I lost count of how many times I looked at my watch wondering how much longer I'd have to wait for the previews to next week's episode. I think the only redeeming moments were the two brief appearances by Goran, and amazingly, the Abby/Jake scenes, it's nice to finally see Abby happy. I thought Frances Fisher was pretty subdued in her portrayal for the most part and Laura Innes' delivery came across as a bad case of PMS. Sorry, I know I'm opening myself up for flak, but this will be one of those videos that will never see airplay again. ---------------- katharine493 Feb 11 2005, 04:35 AM Ummm. Loved it. I'm a Laura Innes fan, so you can only imagine how I've felt thus far this season. A couple minutes here, a couple minutes there, and so on, so this was quite a pleasant change for me. I think the episode highlighted the aspects of Kerry that people don't seem to like, such as her stubborness which understandably can seem unfeeling. I think she's just exceptionally practical (which I think is a good thing, so that's probably why I like her so much. I never thought Kerry was being mean, her rants have always made me laugh.) But I liked the revelations of her childhood, the ease with which she disclosed her disability, and the initial desperation when she thought her mother was leaving. I was impressed. I also liked the bit about her faith-what did she say? Something like "my faith excludes me" which is accurate regarding many religions, though not necessarily all religious people. So I recorded it and will be watching it again, soon.
Lubasha Visnjic: strell1116 Feb 11 2005, 05:44 AM Well, we got an answer to the crutch, but this poses another question. I am a little confused about the hip dysplasia. Isn't this something that is treatable in newborns? The son of a friend of mine had it and they treated it by bracing it with an extra diaper. His case was pretty mild, as I understood it. In more severe cases, it's treated with a brace, or surgery. This was being done as early as the 50's and if they knew about it at birth or shortly after she would have been treated, and usually there are no further problems with the hip. So why does Kerry still have the crutch? This only makes sense if she never got treated for the problem and now has arthritis in the hip. My continuity police antenna got the tingles when Kerry said that her parents died when she was in college and they didn't get to see her finish med school. Excuse me, but isn't that where her mentor Gabe Lawrence met Kerry's parents?? I really wish these writers had a compendium they could consult when these situations come up. I thought it was a decent ep. Innes and Fisher did a fantastic job, as expected. I was not surprised by the fact that TPTB decided to showcase this issue, considering the results of the last election. I was also not surprised by the apparent narrowmindedness of Fisher's character, again considering the last election. However, I was deeply saddened by it. I guess it is easier having someone just tell you what to believe and what to do rather than work out your own salvation for yourself. It also angers me that these so-called "evangelical Christians" call themselves such, talk about the love of God and then reject anyone that doesn't respond to their particular creed. If God will be the judge, then let God be the judge. They need to stay out of it. It's presumptious to do God's job for her. ------------------------- nanc1324 Feb 11 2005, 07:26 AM I loved it, Laura did a good job... Gotta say I think something is going to start between Neela and Ray... And we need to see more of Luka..
Lubasha Visnjic: Kira Feb 11 2005, 06:52 PM Finally!!! Yes, I'm one Kerry Weaver fan who is really happy today. After her being the Invisible Woman all season, Kerry finally got some spotlight time, and it was good, very good. I think the scene of Kerry in the Ladies Room crying, trying to figure out how to tell her Mother about her sexuality was excellent. What a conflict: finally she meets her birth mother, only to discover that her mother's attitude towards homosexuality will effectively keep them apart. The bit about lesbianism being called Kerrys "choice" was right on - how many gay people have to hear that said to them day after day. They are "just as they are" - and I loved Kerry's comment that God made her too. And I liked her own acceptance of who she is - after all, coming out was not easy for her. But the best scene was the family photo scene, after Mother calls Sandi the Nanny. You could see the pain in Kerry right then, and that she would have to tell her Mother who Sandi really was, knowing mom will be disgusted. But she does it, and brava for Kerry. Maybe this episode is, as suggested above, a swan song for Kerry and for Laura Innes, but at least the writers finally tackled this material. I had just about given up. I can see this episode being either loved or hated (see comments above), just count me in on the "love" side. I was definitely NOT watching my watch! Kerry, you rock!! ----------------------- deedee Feb 11 2005, 09:58 PM As far as the episode...I don't normally enjoy FF's work much, but I thought she did a good job here. Knowing it was on such short notice makes it all the more impressive. She does, however, look too close in age to LI. Her character was supposed to be fifteen when she had the baby, but FF looks the same age as LI rather than fifteen years older, so it didn't work for me. They'd have been better gong with a sixty year old, and someone who *looks* sixty, at that. ---------------------------- angstyandjaded Feb 11 2005, 10:22 PM i always wondered why she had that cane and when i was looking up sites and episode recaps, i read that it was never covered why she had it. glad we got to find out finally!!! i noticed that they didn't look that much older or younger then the other which i thought was weird. they looked more like sisters instead of mother and daughter. i would forget that she was supposed to be her mother. on a ligher note, whats the deal with kovac passing neela off to carter or another attending all the time? if he seriously doesn't like her he wouldn't be so anxious to get rid of her all the time.
Lubasha Visnjic: MedMan Feb 11 2005, 10:51 PM This was a excellent episode! FF, and LI did a great job acting together. I liked how they took the end of the episode and put it at the begining so that keeps us wondering what happened. I loved the part at the end when Carter and Neela got into the Brawl and Neela picked up the pan to hit the girl and says "What am I doing?" I believed I laughed very hard, and then Kerry comes in... "Who's winning?", man that was funny. I just hate the fact that Helen won't except Kerry for who she is. One of the best, most entertaining episodes I've ever seen, and Hey.... They cut Abby's spotlight in half! Hell... I forgot she was even in the episode until it kept showing her with Jake. ----------------- The Charge Nurse Feb 12 2005, 01:45 AM Lydia Woodward is an awesome writer! LI did a superb job in all aspects of this eppi - great one-liners in the ER and very powerful emotional stuff with FF. I did think that FF was a good choice although the age thing was noticeable. SO glad we finally know the origination of the crutch! Dr. Dave would be thrilled! I thought it was great when the demerol guy swung at Carter and he decked him! Nice to see a little aggressiveness out of Carter. As I have previously stated.....Jake is an odd character in a creepy way, and I am not buying the 'high school' clingy relationship they are trying to portray between him and Abby. It just seem immature and STUPID. He needs to go away. I did like how Kerry kept referring to him as "Mr." making a clear point that he is yet to be a Dr. I kind of like Jane...but I am waiting for a little Sara Gilbert attitude to strike....I'm not used to her playing a timid, passive character.
Lubasha Visnjic: MaGiKaL_MoMeNt Feb 12 2005, 05:56 AM I Thought the episode was AWESOME! Im a huge anti Abby fan myself..... but.. I do think Abby and Jakes relationship is kind of cute lol. I dont know. Kerry better not leave.... It would make me VERY sad. Laura Innes is an awesome actress and so is Frances Fischer, and they both did a commendable job in my point of view. For the Abby fans who hated that Abby had like no screentime, this is what those of us who are Kerry fans go through every single week! I don't mean that too harsh, but yeah..... I duno I think they need to incorporate her more... --------------------------------------- jconeg Feb 13 2005, 12:15 AM That said, it was a really nice episode imo, especially thanks to LI and Frances Fisher performances... The use of a church and choir reminded me of Susan in "Take these broken wings" (and also of a few eps of the West Wing... ). Easy, but still efficient... ---------------------------------------
Lubasha Visnjic: А ЭТО БЫЛО ВЫРЕЗАНО В КОНЦЕ СЕРИИ Donatella Mar 1 2005, 08:01 PM The final scene of this episode, shot, but not aired: EXT. WEAVER'S HOUSE- DAY Weaver juggles HENRY, her bag, the damn crutch, all of it; moving to her car at the curb. And, as you'd expect, the execution is flawless. WEAVER Okay, bumpkin, here we go; off to play with Cosmo and Chuck today, right? She turns now, sees Helen standing nearby. HELEN Kerry? ON Weaver, uncertain as to what's next. FADE OUT THE END
Lubasha Visnjic: Gorans Gal Apr 12 2005, 04:14 PM This aired last night in Britain so shall briefly post my thoughts before marchbanks gives us her extended ideas. First of all, I'm not the biggest Kerry fan so this episode didn't appeal to me all that much. However, it wasn't too bad and I liked how it started at the end and kinda went back full-circle. The God Squad Southerner stereotype was a little too much for me though and as others have said FF and LI look to be a very similar age (no matter how young she was when he had Kerry). I liked the way it played out though, not too mushy and not too angry either. A good balance. It does leaves some unanswered questions though which should lead to some kinda follow-up (but knowing tPTB I doubt it) such as why Helen waited so long, what happens next etc. The general running of the eppy was well-planned as well because when you felt it was all getting a bit much to deal with they'd switch to a trauma etc in the ER. Other than that, not a lot to say really. I can kinda see that its what Kerry fans have been waiting for and no doubt they enjoyed it somewhat. Wrt other-than-Kerry stuff I liked Sam being a good nurse, Carter and Neela working together like when he championed her as a med student, Jane being generally nice and Luka popping in early and that look on his face. Oh and I liked the snowflake bit too. ---------------------------------
Lubasha Visnjic: Самое большое ревю от англичанки nmarchbank Apr 12 2005, 07:31 PM I shall first apologise, this is huge, I didn't realise how huge until I posted, which means this line is an edit, I am very sorry. There's just a lot to talk about. I get to write a review primarily about Kerry, HOW I HAVE WAITED! I shall restrain myself for wishing a certain Miss Lockhart ill but this has been a long, long time coming. This is a tricky one, analysing the Kerry factor is always tough but I will give you brief impressions first of all. And for an episode that's basically the crunching up of a three or four episode arc into a single episode, is a lot better than it deserves to be, which is consolation I suppose. Conspiracy theory, this was an origin story, like comic book heroes have origin stories, Superman landed on Earth and was raised by Ma and Pa Kent in Smallville, Kansas, Peter Parker was bit by a radioactive spider (I'm using the classic comic source, not the inaccurate movie) Wonder Woman came from an island of immortal demi-Goddesses and followed Captain Steve to America because she loved him. Kerry Weaver was born to a 14 year old girl, they sent her way, she grew up to be a wealthy, accomplished physician and she became happy and comfortable in herself, meeting her long-lost birth mother only being the final stage of that process because as she stoops away at the end, its not about her being alone so much as its about her 'choice' to be who she is, to not deny the truth she knows and her having to face the reprocutions of that choice, unlike the super-heroes afforementioned. It was LI's show from start to finish, and you felt it, distinct and varied emotions, from child-like glee to pained sobbed, you got basically the whole range of emotions there, pretty much every individual element of Kerry, the boss, the woman, the lonely soul trying to find a place to belong, everything in 43 minutes, which was lovely and well overdue. A weaker actor would have failed, placing too much import on the 'stunned rabbit in headlights' moments which rounded out the Acts (and beckoned the advert breaks) of the sort that LI does so well and has been asked to do so often in the past. A weaker actor would have overstepped the mark with the 'overbearing boss' routine that is the usual definition of the role. But she didn't and that's what made it for me, not the story about a woman desperately seeking love and then suddenly realising that she will have to deny it to herself from one source as that person just isn't capable of giving the love she so desperately needs and has always needed. There's the subtle subversion of character going on underneath, and that's what interests me the most, that Lydia Woodward, a writer with so much connection and history with the show knew which buttons to press and how to craft a character arc that didn't require getting on the soap box too much (though with an issue as inflamatory as gay rights in America, there's got to be a little bit of soap boxing somewhere.) And I thank God that it was Lydia writing this one and not Dee Johnson who would have destroyed the episode. I for example thought that the inconsistencies in how Kerry interacted with the other main and recurring characters was actually very true. Her early frustrations, especially with Pratt were quintessential Kerry, expecting and then demanding, and knowing somehow that he is capable of more. I thought that her interactions with Abby were interesting, especially as they have the past that they do, I liked the fact that Abby wasn't aware of what was going on and that she felt Kerry's wrath just as she should, partly for time-wasting and partly in that the woman has the right to expect that the Interns and Residents teach the students, an issue which supremely reflects Pratt also. She may have behaved in the somewhat huffy manner over a trauma, asking lots of questions, disparinging of Abby well it turns out that she doesn't know the answer and therefore could not have taught Jake correctly and is almost pleased when Dubenko jumps in and answers for them, but its not unusual for her to struggle to keep her emotions in check and then somehow prevail despite the odds in her quest when she's faced with great emotional strife or when she's pushed in someway and struggling to cope, examples being her position in 'A Hole in the Heart' relating to everybody's and particularly Doug's total disinterest in the effort she puts in or 'Dead Again' and her argument with Corday, which in that instance was helped no end by the hormones required for I.V.F. She is rightly irritated by Dubenko's tactics concerning the 'screwdriver guy,' that it was done so secretitively.
Lubasha Visnjic: Whereas in a later scene with Abby and Jake when Jake attempts to take responsibilities for the tests Dubenko ordered, she almost makes a joke of it, in the superb little 'straight woman' (alright, I know, HUGE pun, but in a comedy context) little schtick she does, a good example of that would be the scenes she shared with Susan in 'White Guy, Dark Hair' and the definitive example is the infamous "Leeezzzbians!" speech of 'Brothers and Sisters,' I admit it, I laughed when her attention turns on to the 'obnixious guy,' after the build up as she off-handedly takes the chart off Susan and Susan's like all, internally, dancing and twirling with glee (alright, I admit that I love that phrase, its good writing, not matter why the hateful soul wrote it) because she's got one less idiot to deal with. The moment just after Pratt versus the Pick's disease woman with the kleenex box, and he turns around and there's Kerry and Jane the student just looking at him in that sort of comedy, disdain sort of way, another giggle there. And her inquiry, "whose winning?" see, she can't be easy-going, you just need to know how to butter up up right. And how great was Susan? Its fantastic that they're close enough to know something as personal about Kerry as the fact that she was adopted and that Kerry feels able to share something as important as finding her mother, and her joy at that fact with her, especially in light of their prior relations. And Susan was well chuffed which made it even more great. Actually I think its the a combination between the comedy and the other elements, particularly the little Susan scene that make the central arc within the story far more watchable and less obviously about what it ends up, inevitably being about. Okay, so my reading of the Helen Kingsley Situation (I really should stop calling them Situations) is going to be coloured in part by my personal politics, I'm British, gay rights is not nearly the issue it is in America and anti-organised religion, spirituality of any sort I'm all for, but people telling other people how to think and that they are no good because they behave in a particular way, no thank you. And that's before we get to the fact that I was quite obviously well and truly spoiled on this one. Naturally therefore the moment I heard Haleh say the name Sharon Williams I knew what to expect. I think the initial scene, with Helen posing as the patient was slightly manipulative, we knew where it was going, we knew that the "my friend has a daughter" thing rang false, we knew she was overly familiar and I wondered at that moment, "okay, so some people are complaining about Jake being a stalker, what about Long Lost Mum here?" She couldn't have ran fast enough out of there, nor could Kerry have hobbled quickly enough out, leading to a bizarre moment in the ambulance bay and the mini-cliffhanger, "I'm your mother," even the unspoiled members of the general audience couldn't have been hugely surprised by that. And I deliberately forget the 'teaser' that wasn't which was supposed to set up the question of "has she met somebody knew", okay, if you know Kerry you know she goes for young, hot babes, that's her type, Kim was hot and Sandy was hot, there's no way in hell that Helen was in that ballpark, no offence anybody. It was sort of a waste of screentime somehow, I don't know, its like maybe they didn't want 30 more seconds of sqwabbling over the Bible or they didn't have the time to put in the teaser Donatella gave us with Henry so they had to make up the time and somebody came up with that bit at the last minute, I don't know, it didn't quite work for me. And its a little disappointing in a way because showing a gay woman with a happy child would have done a lot more for "the cause" as it were, presenting a lesbian as a safe pair of hands with children and thereby having Helen there to see just how narrow her own perspective was in the flesh so to speak and given more of an insight into the deeper spirit of Kerry for the wider audience. Anyhow, the one significant thing to note with the cliffhanger was that Kerry's normal scepticism, she can't handle to be put out there, she needs an extra level of proof, as far as I recall, she didn't initially believe the unpalatable rumour of Romano's accension to power in 'Leave it to Weaver' until it happened but perhaps she was so desperate to have somebody say that they wanted something to do with her that she took it at face value, I don't know.
Lubasha Visnjic: Second Act, the coffee shop business was entirely conventional, its tough to pull off two people getting to know each other who really ought to have always known each other. It was always going to be hard, but then again, it wasn't too badly done. I have to err on the side of balance, simply because both women put up infinitely acceptable viewpoints, Kerry confused because she thought she'd been rebuffed and Helen, guilty because she could well imagine the hurt that she had caused by not writing, phoning etc and by just showing up like that after a gap of 4 years, not to mention her own personal issues, the fact that she had a life and other children, the fact that she had a difficult and in the end unsuccessful marriage to a man who very well may not have known about his wives' past. There is a glimpse presented here of one woman dealing with hurt and shame and pain and not really having the option of telling people too much about what happened and another who desperately needed somebody in her life, we can presume the letter was composed and sent probably pre or in the very early stages of-Sandy and thus she was still profoundly confused and unsure in herself, coming to terms with a sea-change in her life, the Kim Effect. And they just about redeem themselves all the while for the set up we were given. Oh and something needs said about the choir, the first echo of doubt passes, in just a flash across Kerry's face when she hears the word "Christ's Crusade" and realises what that means, she is faced with a question, a direct religious question the 3rd Commandment (Catholic order) "honour thy father and thy mother" and Commandment 9 "thy shallnot give false evidence against your neighbour." She is faced with the decision to both lie to somebody that is quite significant in her life, though from a distance and to disrespect that person profoundly by giving a false account of herself. Remember the "I didn't misrepresent myself" and "I don't got time for this" conversation after the ice hockey match with Sandy in 'Beyond Repair,' when she said in 'Bygones' that Sandy was right in the sense that you, to quote Sandy in 'A River in Egypt' "don't get the life without the hardships," that's a hell of a lot to stand up to, and for, and this is precisely the sort of things that she meant, though she didn't realise quite how prescient she was being on her girlfriend's behalf. It may have been at this point that Kerry decided to find some sort of a way to broach the truth, because she needed to know and because she needed to be understood and honest about herself, she was not going to loose somebody again from "misrepresenting" and she would probably have lost them anyway, but then at least it would be with honesty and her head held high against an unfeeling world. The dawn of the slow realisation came here, to come to fruition in the final Act. And who didn't see the, "your father's dead" thing coming a mile off? I mean honestly, the Lord giveth and He taketh away to put it in suitably Biblical parlance.
Lubasha Visnjic: Act 3, lets give them their due, the choir was a good choir and some suitable miming done there Fisher, you almost looked alright there. And did I see an Asian girl in the front-row? Maybe I was dreaming, I didn't think pure-red Baptist Churches were the Asian-American thing, perhaps I don't know anything. I have to say that this Act is largely surrounded, dominated even by one single idea, the birth itself. I love the fact that Helen is entirely oblivious to her child's condition, and yes, we were all not collectively dreaming, THEY FINALLY TOLD US WHY SHE USES THE BLOODY CRUTCH! I for one find the whole, "wow, that was underwhelming" thing in the fandom stupid, its perfectly correct that she should have a congential 'defect', its not like there haven't been little clues dotted about, Kerry's challenging of Benton when he was getting his son treated for deafness in the 5th season, actually the finale 'Getting to Know You' written by Lydia Woodward involving the little boy on the street and considering 'Summer Run' episode 2.2 with the first proper Kerry appearance was written by surprise, surprise, Lydia Woodward, who probably had a real hand in the character's creation, its not great surprise that it took her writing an episode to tell us what happened and that she probably knew all along. And of course that's a hell of a thing to learn and its natural that Helen assumed that she gave her firstborn the condition, primarily a condition of firstborn daughters and so now we know that Kerry was also a breech birth which is the rumour about breech births being difficult in adulthood is true, may explain a thing or two. Actually I think that moment re-enforced everything we already knew but had never been given too much call to think about over the years, it just didn't seem hugely important. The leg was the defining factor, I've often thought and thus it encouraged her to want to excell. Rejection here to me is key. Kerry is The Outsider, as a disabled lesbian. Separate from her adoptive family and the Sandy-Henry family, by not sharing a genetic relationship and separate as the boss at work.Its probable that she had lots of issues with her parents, her choices in life, the direction she was going in, etc, the usual family issues possibly even ethical/religious disagreements which could serve as an explanation of why we know little about her family and which may have been excentuated by the fact that she was really very separate from them and had to figure out the adopted issues alone. Its also likely she had other adoptive relations, cousins, aunts, uncles etc, its probable that she grew up in an restrictively religious background (I always had her for a lapsed Christian, I'm sorta chuffed 'cos I got that bit right,) and its highly likely in that case that she was rejected by the extended adoptive family as a result of making the 'choice' to be who true to herself. She's definitely an outsider in her second family, not just genetically but culturally and socially, she's white, but she's in a totally other world and class from the Lopezs and even though individually they may have even liked her, collectively they chose to isolate her and try and remove her from her child's life when Sandy was no longer there to provide the glue. After all, 'Blood Relations' Mama Lopez was holding in some serious distaste. Thirdly she's been categorically rejected at work from the beginning, few people even bothering with her, Jeanie being the main one although not wholeheartedly and the relationship always struck me as being slightly one-sided.
Lubasha Visnjic: From the beginning Doug went out of his way to gossip and mock and Mark seems to have done is fair share of undermining and so as a result, all these many years later we have the result that people just accept her as a bitch or as somebody its not worth trying to get to know and therefore give her a wide bearth, people like Sam. Its therefore obvious to me that she would be oblivious to the Luka-Sam situation because she's never considered as important enough (or appreciative of) to them to tell anything to or share anything with, she’ll get the “good mornings” or the “how’s Henrys?” but that’s your limit. She's even been rejected when she's been at her most vulnerable in her sexual relationships. She needed Kim’s help to come to terms with her lesbianism and that relationship, she needed the woman she realised she loved to help her, be supportive of her and help her find the courage to embrace the relationship and the fact that she was gay. Kim was insistent about facing up to it in 'Witch Hunt,' she also persued her quite aggressively, first in 'Rescue Me' then in 'The Greatest of Gifts,' only to figure she wasn't worth the effort in 'Where the Heart is' and had moved on and met somebody else. Not just that but she's forcibly outed in a rather humiliating manner by somebody would should have known better, Sandy and then dropped in 'A River in Egypt,' rather than her girlfriend, somebody who was supposed to care for her, actually being there for her like she so desperately needed that support. I doubt she's willing to even put herself in the position where somebody else she should be able to depend upon chooses not to return the sentiment. After likely problems with her adoptive family, issues with Lopezs and the fact that its only when disaster strikes and she's suddenly in the fight of her life to keep her kid and has lost her partner in life that people in her life bother to take notice. She's just not gonna risk that kind of a let down again. Its likely that she just wanted some answers so she could move on, happy that she knew because she needed to. This becomes far more complex as she is a mother herself now. There's no way she's gonna put herself and possibly Henry up there just to get hurt again so in some ways its a commitment issue more than its an issue about sexuality. She loves hard and it just never seems to work out for her so she's recently given up trying, which suggests that connecting with anybody is going to be difficult, particularly if LI does choose to stick around for a while yet and they do let the character try to date, which is an interesting place to go. Kerry strikes me as a profoundly lonely soul who would rather be miserable and alone than take the risk of being rejected again because she's sort of gotten used to it. She'd rather be miserable and alone than part of something knowing she's either misrepresenting herself to win affection or there for the sake of it and not really welcome and that seems to me at the heart of her decision at the end of the episode. Its sad, she's been isolated by the writers from everybody else and its gotten to the point that apart from Henry, she's really got nobody on this earth. Hopefully they will be able to make some kind of understanding come between Kerry and Helen, but I do not hold my breath. The 4th and final Act is when everything comes to a head, as we knew it must. The Godfearing mother was never going to cope well with the revelation that comes forth from across the dining table, in the worst place imaginable, a posh restaurant to have rather more than a mother daughter spat. We see the two characters share the make-believe of mother and daughter, with the pictures, (how freakishly young was to two kids and as for the Sandy picture, I have a theory, I think that somewhere at sometime, they Set People were asked to knock up a couple of pictures just to make a set look real, like its somebody's home or perhaps specially for this they took a picture and then superimposed digitally a shot of the Vanishing Miss Vidal and stuck it in and knocked it off, thinking nobody would notice because though LI is in perfect focus with Henry, Sandy isn't, ha, much too clever for them!) You could tell the way that Kerry was in that toilet (congrats to the chick in the queue, you just got your SAG card,) you can feel her pain, she knows that she is going to loose the one thing that's fascinated her and that she's dreamt about the most, the mother she never knew, she knew that she was going to have to be honest, not just for her own sake, but for Sandy's. Something tells me that woman has a lot to answer for.
Lubasha Visnjic: Standing up and being proud is one thing, but she's probably being more aggressive hoping that her woman's in heaven cheering her on than she would have been had Fire-Woman survived, in which case its likely that somebody who lives with bigotry at very close quarters from her own parents and possibly siblings, brother Eduardo, would have most likely aimed to find a less confrontational manner of dealing with it. The words were real, empassioned and righteous, the manner was not, it was only going to end with a disaster, it was inevitable as evidenced by the use of the Biblical quote from St. Paul, I think it was to the Corinthians though I may be wrong, and how it was flipped on its head. There's a great little point about religious interpretation and the inconsistency of the Bible in there struggling to get out, Helen taking the passage to mean that everything works out alright and becomes righteous, Kerry taking heart from it that she's not alone, that God loves her and doesn't wish harm to her. I suspect this passage is why we didn't see a more overtly religious element to her character before, Kerry KNEW God loved her whatever happened, she was just not so sure about the people down on Earth, which may explain why she didn't want to come out and why religion never came into it but also answers the titbit about her having a religious childhood and probably a bit of a rebellion and voyage of discovery away from it. And she always seems slightly religious in her devotion to policy, regulations, science in-general, the adult legacy of many years in church as a child having liturgy drummed into you. That's what makes the rejection issue actually much more satisfying, not that her disability didn't have anything to do with it as she'd imagined and being gay as she'd realised, I remembered that moment in 'Witch Hunt' when she said "I've been on the outside my whole life fighting for acceptance and respect, and now you are asking me to do it all over again?" That moment is now ironical, because instead of coming out and embracing her true identity, she is now essentially being asked to deny it, quite a different thing and all the more fascinating looking at it from that angle. The woman she imagined her whole life is now real and true to her, an actual person, saying things that actually hurt, despite the fact that from her understanding and in the terms of her faith and her life, they are correct, certainly not like she expected any of this as they both admit in their conversation in the hotel room, it was the one scenario that Helen had not anticipated and in her own small-town smallness could not dare frame, but, in that last embrace, despite the sound and the fury, Helen's intrasigence in it being a choice, Kerry's empassioned defence of the lifestyle she so famously tried to avoid being part of if one recalls the equally ironic 'A Walk in the Woods' my God has that woman moved a long way from where she was when Kim got her hands on her! And her valid interpretation of current religious politics, the welcome mat isn't out, she's right, where I come from its not out for my mother who married a Protestant, and until by implication we accept that love is love is love, which is basically what Jesus was on about in the first place, we will not progress. Its hardly a clarion call for gay equality, but its adequate without drowning out the other side of the argument, the one which prevails in many parts of the world, not just in America. I am glad they articulated the official doctrine of many faiths, no matter what personal spins individuals whether priests, or elders or leity place on it, I am also glad that Helen stuck to her guns and defended the faith that ensured she could endure separation from her first born, the end of her marriage and no doubt other personal trials to, that's what faith is there to do, comfort, it has done very much so for Helen and by implication it has done for Kerry.
Lubasha Visnjic: All in all, the ending is more fascinating that any other part, in some ways although this is a story about conclusions to long thought dead story-lines, in some ways it also opens new doors and suggests new material and it remains to be seen whether or not the writers have the courage to adequately deal with the aftermath of this new psychological landscape, how Kerry adapts to the experiences she's had in this episode and chooses to integrate them within herself and whether the writers have the courage to deal with the divide between mother and daughter in a provokative but not demeaning or patronising fashion, not matter how poor the ratings inevitably were destined to be. As for other elements, they were fillers, weren't they, and very obvious fillers around the raison d'etre for the episode, but they were sure hysterical for the most part, fisherman vs horse, man vs screwdriver, motorcyclist vs tree, seriously, who thought up the first one? Sam was out of it big time on the snowflakes thing but I thought it was nice, if somewhat out of established character for her to show some intelligence and to clearly be enjoy a family experience with her son and Luka, how refreshing. How lovely for Luka to come in early and for Kerry to look at him wistfully, she must have done the same for Sandy and vice versa in the past, they must have shown off the kid to an E.R. that probably expected nothing less, proud of what they did together, revelling in just being together and a little family rather than just two separate souls who happened to share a bed. The Battle of the Bed-pans was marvellous, there was just the touch of the morality of giving drugs to an addict but they eased away from that just in-time, Carter punched way to hard for what is essentially a pretty whoosy guy, Ray got smacked about (about time) and Neela almost steals the whole thing by nearly clocking somebody with a bedpan and then saying "what the hell am I doing?" and exerting some self control. Jerry was in it, yeh! And he had a funky little goatee and semi-crazy hair, but man he is getting old, he's going grey, which is well weird. NO MORRIS, PRAISE THE LORD! And only Randi's cameo could have made it perfect. Jane triumphed seriously. Actually I thought the fact that Jane was such a big part of this was ironically wonderful considering real life events and the fact that Sara Gilbert's female partner delivered a baby boy late last year, if you know that little detail, then you can more easily root it in a reality, a fact which must have been out there in at least somebody's mind at the time of filming, its about love basically, not matter in what form love comes into and the rocky road, sometimes broken that love takes because never once did I believe that Helen ever stopped loving the daughter she didn't get to know and the love without acceptance thing, come on, you took a long time to work it out, give her the chance. It'll work out eventually, but it'll take time. Well, I like Lydia Woodward's work, I am a Kerry fan and I love LI, her work that is, so what's not to like? Okay, it was pushed into one episode, but other than that? I'll give it an 11 out of 10, no, only kidding, I promise you, only kidding, we'll say an 8.5, that sounds reasonable. YEHAH! A KERRY EPISODE, BUT DAMN, WE HAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER FRIGGIN' YEAR FOR THE INEVITABLE EXIT ARC TO SEE ANYTHING OF THIS ILK AGAIN. ITS NOT FAIR! ---------------- Вот такая детальная рецензия
Lubasha Visnjic: форум Exchange -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Northern dancer1 Vice Chair (2/11/05 5:50 pm) For me, two moments stand out in particular, in Kerry and Helen's poignant story. The first was when they were walking by the water and Helen quipped, about the photo of herself as a pregnant teen and the 15 year-old cody (it was only a glimpse, but they both looked younger than twelve), that she couldn't see that they had anything to smile about. The pained look on Kerry's face said it all: what about me? it said. Wasn't I something to smile about? Then later on, after their confrontation in the restaurant, when Helen pleaded with Kerry "I can love you!" and Kerry refused the love she offered, insisting that she wouldn't have love without acceptance, it was Helen who looked pained and bewildered. Her words were so sincere, and I believed in Helen's love for Kerry. She wasn't rejecting her in that moment, just not reacting the way Kerry wanted her to. I thought the writers put a great deal of thought and nuance into this story. I believe they strove honestly to show both sides of the issue, through two human beings who were totally sincere in their beliefs. I think that in the end they left us with the hope that their common humanity would triumph, maybe not immediately, but some day, not too far off. I won't be surprised if in a later episode, we learn that Kerry has gone to visit or Helen, or if Helen comes back for a visit. This isn't the end for these two women. One other very strong impression I got last night: when Sam came in with Susan, that morning, she seemed happier than we've ever seen her, chattering about snowflakes at a zillion miles an hour. And then we saw Luka handing off the board to Kerry and the others. Her had his coat on, ready to leave. He seemed tired and a bit down. Sam didn't find him, that we know (which in ER land means she didn't), didn't make a point of saying hello before starting her shift and before he left for home. And yet that night, when Kerry leaves and sees Luka coming in, and asks him why he's back so soon, he says "Nine hours. I'm on nights and Sam is on days. We try to steal every moment together that we can." And here again he seemed subdued. And I couldn't help but think that HE tries to make sure to steal those moments, but that Sam doesn't seem to make the effort. A subtle touch, but it was there. ----------------- форум coffeeandpie ------------------ heather. February 11 2005 we finally know why Kerry uses the crutch!! ------------------------------ carterfan February 11 2005 Post subject: This was a good episode strictly for all the Kerry stuff. We found out so much about Kerry. Everyone else took a back seat to Kerry's episode. I was so worried that they would go over the top with the woman's faith. They did not . it was so believable. I liked how she confided to susan I wish we knew how many episode Eion Bailey is going to be so I can start counting the days until we no longer see jake( aka george)again. I just don't like his fling with abby. It is very junior high and they are both in it mostly for the sex. I like seeing Abby . Her scenes are a bit ruined for me when Jake is in them . I wish we wouldf have gotten more carter in this episode, but I realize this episode was concentrating on kerry. No carby inrteraction, but they did get near each other a few times near the admit desk. Abby has danced with carter. naturally abby is not going to talkt o Jake about Carter.
Lubasha Visnjic: TheMauraTheBetter February 11 2005 wow. i thought that this epi was great. Laura Innes never ceases to amaze me. on the other hand, i hate jake. i went from thinking he was kinda cute last week to thinking he was entirely :sick: gross this week. ---------------------- Christie February 11 2005 Even though it was a pretty good eppy, and there was plenty of interesting material there, I just can't say that I wholly enjoyed it. For me, the lack of Carby puts a damper on the entire ep. I know that there must be a reason that TPTB are having them completely ignore each other. There seems to be tension between them in their silence. But I want to see them speaking, laughing, interacting on any level. _________________ PropterSnark February 11 2005 Wow, where is everybody? Ummm... that was a lot of Weaver for one episode. I know the scenes were good drama and everything, but I missed the rest of the ER. All Weaver All The Time is a little weird. TPTB have some kind of fixation with the names George and Henry. Besides George Henry (hah), Susan's father, Weaver's father and baby are all Henry's, and uh, you know who, talked about naming their baby George, now Jake = George? Oookay. Dubenko is so gloriously weird. I love him. Abby: It's a funny story. Well, not funny funny, but... Hee. She's cute and rambly. Let's polka! Jane bugs me. Still. "I would like very much to do that." Jake made a funny. At least, that's how I'm going to choose to see it.
Lubasha Visnjic: abby_carter_4eva#1 Posted: February 12 2005 The episode was great.Kerry and her mom's storyline was sad. Laura Innes was great and so did Frances Fisher. The fighting scenes was funny and Neela with the bedpan was also funny Susan,Abby,Sam,Carter,Ray,Jake and Pratt were great. Jane was good and Jerry, I think he needs a hair cut ------------------------------ форум Headquarters ---------------------- Brandon Feb 10 2005, 10:31 PM After Weaver being on the show for ten years, we finally found out why she needs the crutch! ------------------ RomanosPrivateNurse Feb 10 2005, 11:07 PM Why do all these BAD things have to happen to Weaver? What the...how the...WHY THE HELL? I don't get it, I mean all these terrible things happen to her and she keeps going...I guess...I guess that makes her my equal in so many ways...I don't know why I watched the episode it made me feel so crappy. I just wish that something good would happen to her every so often. How could her mother not accept her? How could SHE DO THAT? Am I the only one who is mad about this? --------------------- jadedXbrownXeyes Feb 10 2005, 11:10 PM No! I'm mad and I don't even like Weaver. She's too much of a bitch to my angel (Abby). But I didn't like how a mother couldn't accept a daughter she'd been pining to see all her life. But it was real-life. All in-all a good eppy. I love the Jake/Abby scene! When Kerry walked in on them, in the trauma room with the screwdriver guy. And in the beginning when Abby was talking to Neela and going on aboug Jake/George. Haha. Omg. I love Abby.
Lubasha Visnjic: Sky's Fanatic Feb 10 2005, 11:18 PM I don't like Kerry that much but I do feel sorry for her, she's alone once again. That's go to be tough, it was nice when she told Susan about it firsth though. Sad because sometimes I forget about Weaver and they finally give her a story-line. AND THE LIMP HAS BEEN SOLVED!! There's still something about Jake that I don't like... Though I promise it's not because I'm a Carby fan, and that Jake/George thing was, weird! I like Jane She was so good with the patients and all, but they didn't even notice her in the rooms! Wonder how Carter's back is? I'm surprised they have nothing on that because Valentines Day is coming up, I would think at least ONE episode we could recap on Lucy and the day!!! Overall it was a fair episode, still good but not great (to me!) ------------------------------------- Faith Feb 11 2005, 06:15 AM I thought it was a good episode. Did I hear the F-word coming from Ray's mouth? That scene was hilarious. And indeed, Kerry's mom is SO narrow minded, she annoyed me a lot with her statements "You chose, blaaahness." I was like "Please just accept it and stop whining about it" I also loved Abby and Jake in the medicine cabinet. "I'm gathering up some supplied", I LMAO.. It was great ------------------------- LUKAKOVACFAN9905 Feb 10 2005, 11:39 PM WHAT THE HELL?! Geez, Kerry's Mom was such a bitch by treating her like crap. This whole episode really sucked because Kerry was being a bitch to everyone. Pratt got really annoyed by Jane and Carter and Neela fighting over a couple who are addicted to drugs. I dont even like Kerry because she treats her coworkers like crap. Besides, I want to see the next episode next Thursday with Luka talking to the Mom who cant communicate to him or to everyone else.
Lubasha Visnjic: ERLuvr7 Feb 11 2005, 09:15 AM Alright!! Let me just say how much I LOVED, LOVED this episode!! Bravo to the writers, the cast and especially Laura Innes!!! I knew my girl wouldn't disappoint! First things first...the episode was very well written!! No clear villain, just people with different opinions. While I entirely disagree with Kerry's mom about her choosing to be gay and the semi-rejection, I think the writers left the door open for the mother to come back and seek out Kerry again. If you remember, Sandy's mom wasn't all too thrilled about it either, but she llived w/ it. Could it be the same for Kerry's mom?? Perhaps! That door is wide open for possibilities (now that Laura signed for next season). Also, my favorite line was when Kerry was telling her mom about her family and said that Sandy "was my parter, lover, wife...the mother of my child". Oh! I almost cried over that one! How very sweet of her!! It did seem like Kerry had multiple personalities yesterday...one minute she was happy and the next she was bitchy. Completely understandable in my book. It was fun to see her changes...at the end she was so carefree it was very refreshing to see. And the woman should smile more often...she's got a beautiful smile. At times she seemed like the Kerry on Season 3 (at times)...When she walked in and asked "who's winning?" (in the Carter, Neela, drug-seeking couple fiasco), she didn't even blink!! Loved Jake & Abby's little flirtation....and the fact that Kerry saw them in the medicine closet was hilarious...and what was up with Abby calling her "Kerry" all the time?? Kerry didn't seem to mind...after all, all of Kerry's major events have involved Abby in some way (Henry's birth, Sandy dying), but still...I'd figure out of respect, she would've called her "Dr. Weaver". Overall, I LOVED this ep!! Loved the acting...LOVED that FINALLY Laura Innes is front & center where she should be and that the $64,000 question was answered. She's got congenital hip dysplasia...WAY TO GO ER! This ep is a keeper!!! ----------------------- Carter&Abby:The24thHour Feb 11 2005, 01:58 PM For me, that was probably the most boring episode thus far this season. Yeah, it was nice to see Kerry finally meet her mother she had been looking for for so long and we finally know why she has the crutch but it was pretty boring. And was it just me...but Frances Fisher, she was just, she was just soooooo boring and her role was not convincing to me in any way. The best parts of the episode were the Abby and Jake related humor. And I'm still routing for Carby, not Jabby but that was still the best parts of the episode. I did love when Susan, Kerry, and someone else were standing in the hall talking about a patient...you can see the trauma room in the background. It was sooooo funny when Abby and Jake started coming out of there, heard/saw Weaver and turned around and walked back in the trauma room. That was hilarious!
Lubasha Visnjic: Lozenge1964 Feb 11 2005, 07:58 PM Just thought I would add my opinion on this episode, as my first post. Firstly what an excellent job LI did. Watching the ep for a second time you get to see all the little things you missed the first time. Her facial expressions (little twitches, body language etc) made for an exceptional performance. However, I did feel the episode did lack a little on the 'most emotional episode of the season' tag line. That said it was great to have an episode for the woefully underused Weaver. If the writers feel there is nowhere else for the character to go then that's a lack of imagination on their side. If you saw Weaver in more episodes and for longer than the blink and you miss it appearances, then there would be no reason for further development not to occur. Anyway, I did like the episode and great to see a lot of questions answered. As for Weavers lack of acceptance of her mother's beliefs, well, having considered herself a 'reject' for most of her life its not surprising she took a stand, even at this point. This was an important point, especially as it would be in part denying what she had with Sandy, and her love for her. --------------------------- Dr.Livvy Feb 11 2005, 09:35 PM well... Kerry is my favorite character, but honestly, I didn't particularly like this episode. On one hand, it was nice that they used her character for once, as others have pointed out, she's majorly underutilized, though I would rather they give her screen time in every episode rather than just one episode out of the season. furthermore, I think the plot with Weaver's birth mother would have been better spread out over a couple of episodes. Personally, I don't like episodes that focus exclusively on one character. the whole rejection thing is better than having a cliche happily ever after type thing, though it would be nice if something good had come of the situation. I'm a bit surprised that they revealed the cause of Weaver's limp, I personally think they should either have had something less... anticlimatic (car accident, polio, etc. doesn't have to be something as traumatic as what many fanfics portray (though that could have been cool), but yeah...) or they should have left it ambiguous (untill the last episode (or Innes's last episode, whichever comes first) or forever, let us keep speculating.) I thought the birth defect thing was a cop out.
Lubasha Visnjic: Sharon Apr 8 2005, 03:32 AM Once again another great episode Laura Innes was fantastic in this episode - before watching the episode I was rather sceptical as to if I would like it or not - because I do like Kerry but maybe not enough to watch her the majority of an hour - how wrong I was. Frances Fisher as her mother was fantastic too and the two of them worked very well together - bravo! Was also good to see Kerry working in the ER again - well the little bits that she was in between her 'breaks'. When she confronted Jake and Abby in the Medicine bay thing and Jake said he was gathering supplies that was funny. Then Kerry left and all Abby could say was "gathering supplies". It was also funny when Jake said to Abby that she said "let's polka" in her sleep lol! I liked the cute little romantic moments like that! I have to agree with a lot of other posters and say that JERRY NEEDS A HAIRCUT. Was SO glad to see Carter punching that patient and her husband - could not stand those two from the moment we saw them. All in all, a good episode - next weeks preview didn't look too great (the episode with Cynthia Nixon) but I think it was down to poor selection of scenes to put into the preview --------------------------- John Aug 27 2005, 01:07 PM Kerry is my favourite character by FAR, but I really didn't like this ep... I can't quite work out why!
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